Church IT Podcast Discussions Episode 19 November 15, 2007
Jason
Hello everybody. Today is Thursday, November 15, 2007. This is the 19th church IT Episode we’ve done and would you believe that the next one we do in December will mark the one year anniversary of these podcasts. Should we have a party or give away a car or a trip or a san? Cool! A san raffle! Good idea!
Couple of things for today, gonna go over some Sharepoint training information, registration is open. We’re gonna do a shout out to Andrew who is doing a mission thing down in Tanzania, couple of reminders about the wiki, and the rest of the is open forum.
First off, Sharepoint training, registration link is up and live. You’ll be happy to know that Jason Lee has a blog now, he’s got some info of their, it’s on my blog. It’s Jan 7-11 9:00am-5:00pm. Registration is $125 to pay for food and other misc. stuff. You are responsible for your travel and hotel. You’ll find travel info on Jason’s blog. We’ve [Time Stamp00:03:02] got plenty of slots available, we can take up to 100 people, spread the word to church IT friends. This training for the average Joe would be $3200 plus so take advantage of this. Training will focus on Sharepoint server 2007 which will give you information tools on the free Sharepoint services and products and also on the full-blown product. Full-blown is about $360 for the server software and $7-$25 per user depending on which cal you want, standard or Enterprise.
Other things to note, you must have 2 gigs RAM minimum, 20 gigs of free harddrive space minimum. We will be loading virtual server 2007 and have a DVD that already has what you need on it for the virtual machine.
The other part of the training is Sharepoint Designer 2007, which if you’re bringing web people along, that’s when they will really start geeking out about all the stuff you can do with Designer.
Any questions about that?
I hope everybody [Time Stamp00:05:31] can come to this training. It’s worth every penny. It is not open to consultants, no soup for you. But if you are an IT volunteer for your church, there are options available for you. You can bring your director along.
I don’t think we will be able to pull off anything remote.
Ok, Andrew are you there?
Andrew
Yes, I’m in Nairobi, Kenya right now. It’s 10:00pm
Jason
How’s your jetlag?
Andrew
Getting over it slowly.
Jason
Tell everybody what you are doing there.
Andrew
We have several different mission centers with large HIV clinic operations. I’ve been out here before to help them get set up and running, so now I’m here to see what the problems are and get them upgraded and plugged into the rest of the world. The Internet and connectivity is much better here now than it was 2 years ago so it’s opening up new options.
Jason
I’m happy to see that you got this working from [Time Stamp00:08:50] all the way over there! Awesome! I think you are officially our longest ever phone connection.
We want to remind everybody of the Church IT Survey. We’ve got almost 60 churches that have submitted information to it, you’ll find it at my blog www.jpowell.blogs.com or if you go over to the www.ChurchITpodcast.com wiki it is on that page also. Please do that if you haven’t. I’ve used it a couple times already to help connect with some people, or people have asked me a question and I’ve been able to find someone to help them.
If you need to update something to an entry, just shoot me an email and resubmit the whole thing and let me know and I’ll delete the old one. If you want to play with the zoho creator software, let me know. You can also export the survey results to Excel.
Also reminder that Margaret, our transcriptionist, is transcribing all of our episodes [Time Stamp00:11:44] so you can go to the www.churchitpodcast.com website and it’s there. It’s cool, you can search through it.
IRC Channel is still going strong, I tend to poke in and out of it, go to www.freenode.net and the IRC Channel is citrt and you can hop in and chat with people. Regular attenders are Jason Moore, Trace Pumpke, Dave Mast, Ian Bayer, Andrew Mitri [Transciptionists apologies if the names aren’t exactly correct] Rob from the Geeks in God podcast. A lot of talk about sans and voice-over IP stuff.
With that, I’ll give it over to Justin to talk about what you found out yesterday
Justin [I think]
I had mentioned to a couple of guys how cool it would be to have some hardware on hand amongst church IT communities if people were interested in taking Asterisk for a test drive, so I took a couple of minutes to email [Time Stamp00:13:36] a couple of vendors, Digium, Tangoma, and Voit Supply, [??not sure about those??] and within 20 minutes I had a response back from Tangoma saying that they would love to get involved, they said to send them a list of what we wanted and where to send it to, so I’m going to talk with some guys and we’re gonna get a list of stuff we could send out and let other people use and then if you find out that Asterisk is going to work for you. And then you can pass that along to the next church that might want to take it for a test drive. They are very open to giving us a hand and on the right track so far. I’m super excited about it. The expense of the T1 card was a barrier, this should tear down that barrier.
Jason
Cool! Any questions?
I think that’s the gist of all the stuff I needed to cover today. Open forum now. Hopefully for the next one we are going to get Dave from ACS and a [Time Stamp00:15:39] couple of his geeks on here to talk about what they use, tools, san, storage arrays, wiki, etc to give us an inside peek.
Somebody put into the channel – what is your favorite IM server and client? Hey Nick!
Nick
We are playing around with this a little bit and we’re just wondering what folks are enjoying using the most.
Jason
Is anybody doing an Enterprise server, I’m assuming you’re talking about hosting something on site?
Nick
Correct. Most of our clients have been using a technology from Novel for some time but as more of them are pushing from Novel, that’s no longer an option. They like the idea of being able to do something that’s in-house only to eliminate the outside IM that can destroy productivity and to be able to do it securely.
Justin
This is Justin Moore, I know there’s a couple of guys in the IRC Channel that have recommended Openfire, which is a jabber-based [Time Stamp00:17:28] product.
Nick
That’s what we are experimenting with now and we think we like it but we want to make sure we’re spending our time on the right target, we’re using Spark [??] as a client.
Justin
Everything I’ve heard about that combination has been overwhelming positive and the that fact you have the options for Enterprise support directly from those guys is a plus.
Austin
This is Austin Spooner, we’re working on the Microsoft live stuff with an Outlook and just a Microsoft Messenger for that.
Nick
We had taken a look at that, and for most of the folks that we work with, they would only be using it for the IM side, it seemed like that was a little far reaching on the price side just for that.
Jason
We bought live communication server 05 a couple years ago and played with it for a day or two then we decided to just leave [Time Stamp00:18:52] MSN open and people can use MSN as needed.
Nick
Do you folks spend a lot of time chatting with people outside the organization?
Jason
I don’t know, I’m not monitoring it, I use it often with volunteer interaction, it has been extremely helpful, especially with this Exchange nightmare we just went through, that was a huge help having IM available, we created/invited several people into a chat room. But I don’t know if that effects productivity. Most people don’t have enough time to chat.
Stephen
This is Stephen from Meadowbrook. What about as a security call? Are you concerned about that at all?
Jason
Not really, maybe, I’ve been labeled a liberal before and that’s fine, we’ve had this open ever since I’ve been here, we’ve got antivirus on the client, we’ve got Gateway antivirus installed as well. I don’t see it as that big of a threat. It’s an acceptable risk.
Stephen
We played with this a while back. [Time Stamp00:21:20] It lets you know presence inside of Outlook or Sharepoint or whatever using that, which was a plus.
Jason
That’s one of the reasons we decided to stick with the MSN client, it’s already on every machine, we’re gonna all use MSN. If I’m inside of Outlook I can see if my boss is online, click the link, and chat.
Nick
I think I’m not too concerned about the security issues, probably most of it is doing what we ought to with regards to protecting our enterprises from, I think what I hear from guys in leadership, is that even though it’s real busy, they get distracted throughout the day, so they like to limit, and I guess one of the things that attracted us to Openfire is where you can actually open it up to the outside and even do so in a selectively granular base.
Justin
While I [Time Stamp00:23:09] haven’t done that, I have the same understand that at the server level with your users you can add contacts from other networks such as MSN or AOL, so I think you’re right on with that.
Brian
This is Brian at Church of the Resurrection. Does anyone have concerns about using IM and being as for the IT person even more accessible in creating another communication path that people can bug you at?
Jason
Heads are shaking up and down yes! It does create another vehicle. There are times when you just need to take yourself offline and go hide. But with MSN as our default, we’ve got an unpublished way that we IM with each other, for those times we both need to go offline but still need to IM with each other. Yes, it is another interrupt, but I think it’s a great tool for helpdesk. I can email, call, or IM helpdesk. Whatever the user is comfortable with.
Nick
We’re just coming off of a Novel product that was included [Time Stamp00:25:01] with recent versions of their groupwise email client. Groupwise is very similar to Outlook. Outlook will interface with a lot of our databases and other things. But one of the nice things we had there, and I’m hoping we’ll see this in the Spark client as we get further along is that I can actually hide myself from specific viewers or even from everybody but a group so that I would only be available to the department.
Justin
I could speak at length on the helpdesk department being a one-man for about 70 employees but, it actually got so out of hand for me a couple months ago that I had to sit down and write a formal policy on how tickets should be opened. The short version is that unless your computer is on fire, don’t call me. Otherwise, go online and submit a ticket. Do not IM me, do not email, do not call me. Use the ticket. From that day forward, I’ve only gotten 3 or 4 IM’s trying to [Time Stamp00:26:53] open a ticket, so it’s just a matter of enforcing the policy once you set it in place. I’ll be glad to help you, go submit a ticket first.
Jason
Great point.
Stephen
I ditto that! We are just under 200 users.
Justin
The problem I was having is that on my Windows is the box where I had my MSN client and it would freeze up frequently during the day and people would be submitting requests through there and I wouldn’t know what the request was.
Jason
There’s another great point about one of the drawbacks to IM is that I’ve got my desktop, I’ve got a computer at home, I’ve got my Mac which has both a Windows and a Mac side, so somebody could IM me and I may not see it for a day or two depending on which client or what operating system I happen to be in at the time. So I’d set a little status telling them you might reply.
Nick
That was one of the criteria we looked at Spark is [Time Stamp00:28:25] that it will run on all three platforms. How about Chatzilla? Does is work on the Mac?
Jason
It’s Firefox so probably so. It should be happy wherever Firefox is at, I haven’t tried it on the Mac side.
Nick
I’ve been using a Mac now for about a month, I’m finding it pretty pleasing so far.
Jason
I just got in a new Latitude D830 and I’ll be upgrading from my Macbook Pro to it as my full-time laptop. The largest reason is that the battery life is ridiculous. If I didn’t have a virtual machine running, I’m sure I could get more battery life out of it, but I live inside of Outlook so it’s just not working.
Nick
I’m using the larger format Macbook Pro, I forget what size, it’s gotta be 17 inch screen, and I’m running Fusion rather than Parallel, and I’m finding that my battery life is about 4 hours.
Jason
Very different. I’ve [Time Stamp00:30:23] been using this Mac for, since before the spring Roundtable, and in the end after many months, I just haven’t found it a help, so I’ll still use it for testing, but I gotta have the dual batteries. I like the OSX interface, nothing wrong with it.
Nick
Apple sent this machine over to me for testing for an article and my approach is two-prong. First I had to get it to the point where everything PC runs seamlessly, and I’ve just got one minor hurdle to jump over and that’ll be done. Second is, is there intrinsic value? I’m looking forward to getting full-blown on that part of the research to look for intrinsic value.
Jason
The Achilles heel right now is Outlook. Entourage, Macmail, all those things are just not good enough compared to Outlook, I’m gonna do a blog post shortly, I’ve got software running on all my machines that track what I do, and it was shocking to me [Time Stamp00:32:32] the amount of time I spend inside of Outlook. So unless I have 95% of what I can do in Outlook, it’s a no-win. I love the presentation side, I used Keynote a couple of times, I like the remote, cycle through stuff, so as a presentation machine, it’s sweet.
Nick
Has anybody else tried running Fusion besides me? I’m running it in unify mode, which means all the PC programs are running in Windows, floating on the Mac desktop as if they were Mac programs and I’m in Outlook all day too and it’s running flawlessly. I’m spending most of my time in the PC side and everything I’m finding in research says avoid Entourage or Macmail.
?
I just ordered my first Mac to bring in for our new worship pastor. Speaking to one of the guys at the Mac desk, he told me he was running Fusion too, so I’m gonna go that direction too. I was heading toward Parallel but if [Time Stamp00:34:22] you get somebody on the Mac support side saying to try Fusion, I’m gonna try it.
Jason
Especially if you are already using VMWare, it’s kind of a no-brainer. Now you can take your VMs that you’ve already created and pull them right over onto your Mac and you’re good to go.
Nick
I’m even wondering if that’s why I’m getting better battery life? They brag about how they do a better job with power consumption.
Jason
Could be. I still miss the right-click. Now when I go to a non-Mac, I sit there trying to use two fingers to right-click on stuff and I’m like “why isn’t this right-clicking?” I don’t like it when I have to take my hands off the keyboard to move the mouse, having that little eraser between the g and h key. Now we’re off on this Mac track…
Josh wants to know what software you are using to track applications with.
You can use Service Desk, the helpdesk software from Advent Net [Time Stamp00:36:27] You can use System Center Central, Spiceworks. Anybody using Spiceworks. Yeah, Andrew is. It’s an offsite deal. You install it local but it’s ad-based, that’s why it’s free. Ain’t nothing wrong with free. Track It is another one.
The particular ap I’m using is in Beta testing, it’s called Rescue Time. Sweet tool. www.rescuetime.com There are in Beta mode, ask them for an invite key. You put this little tiny client on whatever machines you have, Windows or Mac, and it looks at your machine in 5 second increments to see what you’re doing. So if there is no keyboard or mouse activity, it treats that as a not-working at the moment. Then it gives you a nice graphical view of day, week, month, [Time Stamp00:38:40] total time spent. What applications, you can tag applications to say this is a communications or this is IT or whatever, so you can see how much time you spent in each world. It’showing me that I’m spending way too much time on the computer.
What? It’s out of beta now? Oh I’m behind the times. Is it still free. Yes. It’s open beta now. I’m liking it.
What else?
Justin doesn’t want to know how much time he spends on the computer. Yes, it will scare you.
Justin
Especially in IRC, I don’t need to know that. Nor does my boss!
Jason
I’m trying to find balance in my own personal life, my family deserves more from me, so I want to be diligence and show to my managers – here’s what I’m doing, help me find balance. It’s been a great eye-opener for me.
?
So Jason, you’re using that as a measurement of how much work you are doing in general, not just how much time one [Time Stamp00:41:59] on particular thing, but to measure the balance between work and personal?
Jason
Right. For instance, Outlook. There’s nothing fun or personal that I do in Outlook, so if I’m inside of Outlook for 12-16 hours a day, that’s a balance problem! It’s helping me figure out where I’m spending all my time. Then I can start to modify time. But certainly you could use it for projects. I’ve asked my guys to put it on their machines so they can track what they are doing on a day to day basis. It’s a tool so you can see what you’re doing and if it’s out of whack, let’s talk about it. It just feels like most of us IT people tend to be workaholics. We like what we’re doing, we like the challenge and we want our end-users to be happy, so we feel this desire to always make things bigger, better, faster, so it’s very difficult for me to disengage from that, and this tool is helping me realize I’m spending way too much time [Time Stamp00:44:31] on the computer. And having a laptop makes it even worse because it sits around with me a lot. A couple of us have even joked that it’s “the other woman” or our wives have joked about that, and that’s not a good thing. When I get home, the laptop is powered on and while I’m watching a TV show or whatever, I’m multi-tasking and it’s terrible. Let’s push each other to find balance. Support group – I feel one coming.
?
There’s an article on that freely available on our website about getting balance back into ministry life. Ted Instram shared some thoughts with me one time that he had not yet published and he gave me permission to read those. I helped me get better balance.
?
The biggest problem with IT too is it’s gotta be almost self-regulated because most people at least in a church really don’t know what you’re doing, where you’re doing it or how long or late you’re [Time Stamp00:46:23] there because they are all doing their thing, so you’ve got to watch it yourself, and if you’re on salary, you don’t turn in a timesheet, sometimes you put in a late night, you think you’ll go in late next morning but someone calls you anyway the next morning with a problem. It’s really a self-regulation thing. And if something is down, I can’t sleep at night. My head is running through everything you haven’t tried yet. Sometimes at 2:30 in the morning, you realize you’re probably going to make it worse, go get some sleep, start again in the morning.
Jason
Exactly. Here’s a for instance of one of the cool things you can do with this Rescue Time tool. I said show me the week of October 21st, so I’ve got a graph of Sunday through Saturday, 16 hours inside of Outlook. That’s like close to half of a 40-hour work week just inside [Time Stamp00:48:03] Outlook doing something with Outlook, that’s not so good. 2 hours and 54 minutes in Excel, 3 hours and a half in One Note, 2 hours in typepad for the week, 2 hours inside of Xchat. Check out this tool. We should probably all, like every month or something, post our results to our various blogs and keep each other accountable. In three weeks in October, I was inside of Outlook for 44 hours and 15 minutes. There’s a work-week. Insane. Everybody go get that and play with that and maybe next podcast we’ll talk about it. Of course if you spend all your time on utube, you should be slapped.
?
I have a quick question for the group relating to VMWare. Has anyone talked to a rep from the company? For small churches and groups they’ve got this new version coming out with virtual center foundation, you can get three vm infrastructures for 3 grand, they’ve [Time Stamp00:50:16] got another one I’m looking at, the standard that now includes high availability consolidated back-ups for around 6 grand, but it’s not out yet, effective later this year, but I’m having trouble finding someone to talk to about it. does the new bottom end one work with network storage, it doesn’t say it is limited to local storage anymore so it gives you the center and three virtual center machine licenses with two processors each, and it’s just on their website but it’s hard to find information. Anyone else heard anything?
Jason
Just the same information you’ve seen.
?
I don’t want to spend 10 if I can spend 6.
Jason
You should be able to hook up with your systems engineer for your neck of the woods, with our recent exchange issues, I’ve found out that there is a systems engineer for Indiana, so those are probably questions you could run by your systems engineer is.
?
I did go to a users meeting before [Time Stamp00:51:48] they announced their 3I and they are talking about being able to boot a server with VMWare strictly on the bios, 20 seconds to boot, so there’s going to be some major changes in this. They just plug your license number into it, turn it on, and no hard drive to mess with. I’m ready to go.
Jason
The only thing I didn’t like about that small bundle is that it doesn’t have Vmotion. To me, that’s what I would pay for, the other stuff, the free version is doing well for us.
?
Have you tried the new free version 2?
Jason
No, Ed downloaded it.
?
One thing I don’t like about the new version is they’ve stripped out the client and everything is now web-based and it’s slower. I’m not saying it’s unusable, but I wish they’d kept the client.
Jason
But they did raise the virtual machine ram up to 8 gig right?
We’re huge cheerleaders for VMWare but their support at least the only time [Time Stamp00:54:29] we’ve used them, I’m not happy with the support we got. Ed’s got some behind the scenes with what happened during our Exchange debacle www.ebuford.com
Stephen from Meadowbrook
Anybody played with Mobile 6?
?
I’ve been using it for about 2 or 3 months.
Stephen
We just upgraded our 85 25s to it. I’m enjoying it so far.
Jason
What are the big changes from 5 to 6?
?
Performance is what I’ve seen. I’ve got a 6700 audiobox, it was bogged down, there were memory issues, when I went to Windows Mobile 6, I saw a big performance hike.
Stephen
I noticed that now it shows in your calendar your busy and non-busy schedule, I like the way the emails are full-blown emails, like if its got hyper-links in it, it actually looks like it is in Outlook.
Jeremy from Northwoods
I haven’t messed with the email side of this yet so [Time Stamp00:57:01] I can’t really speak on how that might’ve changed.
?
I just read that Windows Mobile 6 is better with Exchange 07, that’s what we’re doing and loving it.
Jeremy
We’re not Exchange 07 yet.
Jason
Speaking of Exchange 07, what kind of front-end back-end server are you running for Exchange 07?
?
We did what was not recommended at the time because we had some hardware crash, during the migration we did a lot of, we purchased 3 new boxes and we were getting ready to do this, in the end we were down a server that night and couldn’t do it so wound up integrating it, not recommended all in one. There is no front-end back-end, everything is all local but you had to add some extra feature that added antivirus and spam into it. We wanted to do front-end back-end but that will be in our next server re-do.
Jason
Are you thinking about doing the replication?
?
The last exchange problem [Time Stamp00:58:59] we had was in 06, I felt for you when I was reading the blog on your stuff. We went from 40 users to over 100 and it was never touched, so I’m trying to get a grip on it now better than where we were.
Jason
Our upgrade from Exchange 2000 to 2003 was a result of discovering, unbeknownst to us, about the 16 gig limit in the old standard version, we slapped that limit and it was bad news. We got another gig of space and bought the Enterprise version of 03, merging things around. Lesson learned.
?
Always about storage! I’m having storage woes now, we have a san, there was some equipment that didn’t come in we had to do some things not the way we wanted to, now I’m trying to undo what was done without knocking us down.
Jason
We spent time yesterday clearing all non-critical stuff off of our san and just moving anywhere else we could to free up space.
[someone said something about their pastor keeping copies of copies but there was clicking and I couldn’t hear all of it]
?
I don’t know if y’all have this problem in graphics but our graphics people do a million and one illustrator and all this other stuff and they’ll just sit it out there and it’s running several gigs and I’m like “you haven’t touched it in years, lets just flatten it.
Jason
That’s probably the same with every church, probably every organization. I don’t know if you guys have ever heard of Compellent. They are a storage area network and one the cool things about them is that it is tiered storage, so you’ve got active storage, and middle storage, and then archive storage. It sits there and watches what people are doing to what files and based on what threshold you’ve set, it will actually [Time Stamp01:03:57] move files off of your high-performance disks down to mid-line and then down to archive as time goes by. www.Compellent.com If you go to their white papers, they’ve got a couple of public schools listed, and being a former public school IT guy, I know schools don’t pay a lot of money for technology so there must be a way to get this for not a stupid amount of money. I’m going to talk to the fellow on Monday.
?
It sounds like an interesting one. I’d love to throw some stuff off.
Jason
One of the guys I was trying to get on the podcast today is from Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, they are running like 12,000 attendance and they’ve recently switched to a Compellent san.
If anybody is looking for Equallogic gear, our rep is now very interested in trying [Time Stamp01:06:43] to do something for church IT people where we can use combined buying power to get huge discounts. So say 8 of us wanted to get an Equalogic san, they would give each church the 8-array discount, instead of a single organization having to buy 8. Still working on the details of that, I’ll let you know.
We are at the one hour and 7 minute mark. Anything else real quick?
Jason Lee is asking about the January training. We mentioned that at the front. Sorry to hear about your san unfortunate business.
Jason Lee
It’s not as bad as we thought it was going to be.
Jason
What is the story?
Jason Lee
We talked to Intel today and after I finally convinced the first level person that I wasn’t talking about a fan but about a san, she kept asking me for the model number of the processor and I’m like, the whole box is made by Intel, so I spelled it out, storage area [Time Stamp01:08:22] network, finally she figured it out. They identified it was the diskcom module. They are shipping it, it should be here tomorrow morning. We are still up and running to an extent, we just can’t print or have file access. File server is down, print server down, only 2 or 18 servers are up and running. So far we are pleased with the support we’ve gotten, we’ll see if the part is right once it gets here. We’ve had it since last November, this is the first time we’ve had it powered off since November. I found out today that my blog is not IE6 compatible, that was fun to find out. I rebuilt my workstation and I haven’t loaded IE 7 yet and Jeremy informed me that my blog is not IE6 compatible.
We’re excited about January and training. Everything looks good on that. Sign up soon! One piece of the puzzle for those who are planning to come – our physical address [Time Stamp01:11:13] and our mailing address are on two different sides of our property so when you map it, it doesn’t show the correct place, it show half mile down the road, so I’ll post the correct info on my blog.
Jason
These laptops that are for rent, they’ve got all the stuff we need?
Jason Lee
Yes, Dell 610 Latitude, with a 2.1 3 gighertz processor with 2 gigs of memory and 80 gig harddrive. Wifi, Windows xp pro, battery, DVD, everything you need.
Jason
How much?
Jason Lee
$182-183 something like that, they deliver and pick up. It looks like Bill is going to give us DVD image for the virtuals at this point so that will speed things up to distribute those at the beginning of class.
Jason
One thing in the back of my head, we talked about time management and balance and stuff, I think it would be fun to do a Church IT Roundtable biggest loser. Not only are a lot of IT people finding it [Time Stamp01:13:52] hard to find balance, but I’d say I could lose a good amount of mass from my body. Not that I was looking at everybody at the last Roundtable, but we could use a little less mass. I think it would be fun to do a biggest loser and have the winner award at the spring Roundtable. I’m thinking there needs to be some money involved for motivation, like a $5 or $10 entry fee. If there’s a $100 pot at the end, that’s motivation. Think about that. We do a blog post to see if people are interested. We could all take pictures of ourselves with our shirts off.
?
If you could get Equalogic to put up a san device as the reward, I think I’d be all over that!
Jason
I’m gonna challenge everybody to try this Rescue Time until we get together the first week of December. It could be good to help each other work toward that balance. The next one will be our one year anniversary, we'll have virtual cake.
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