Church IT Podcast Discussions Episode 2, December 15, 2006
JASON
Hello and Merry Christmas everybody. Today is Friday, December 15, 2006, this is Episode 2. Welcome. We are a bimonthly live interactive podcast with Church IT staff and volunteers, just to get together and discuss news, tips, tools, technology, best practices as they relate to church organizations and what we can do to further God’s Kingdom. We meet live every first and third Friday of the month at 2:00 pm EST on www.talkshoe.com. Check out www.churchitpodcast.com We will be putting the pre and post show notes there. My name is Jason Powell, I’m the IT Director at Granger Community Church and I’ll be your host today. Let me hit the unmute button for everyone. Alright. We are live.
I’ve got a big note here on my screen that says No UHH is allowed to be said by me. The first one was brutal.
Today what I thought would be good would be to go through, make a re-occuring theme of tools that are making your job easier, and some helpdesk solutions, what kind of software solutions are you using, how do you measure helpdesk help? Tony will talk a little bit about spam and his thoughts on that. We’ll get Jeffrey to hop in and do a little thing on the IT discuss email list and how that got started. We’ll talk about Office 2007, maybe some Vista stuff, white boxes. I had a great talk with Michael Stephens from Northpoint yesterday, if we’ve got some time, I’ll give you insight on that.
First off, let’s do Kool Tools. I have one I kinda forgot about, it’s a tool from Microsoft, one of those not exactly a power toy, but a hidden Microsoft tool called Group bar. Go to Microsoft’s website and do a search for Groupbar.exe, you will find the development site for it. I found out about this, basically there are a lot of times when I don’t reboot my laptop for a month or two, I just let it go to sleep, wake it up, and in that time, I’ll end up with 20 or 30 Windows open, I like to have windows open, so I was looking for a tool that would allow me to, let’s say I needed to reboot because of a Windows update or whatever, isn’t there a tool that will allow me to capture everything exactly as it is on my desktop, all the windows and everything? So I started doing a search and found a couple of tools, landed on this Groupbar and I played with it for a while and I am digging it. It is a small application, I would not recommend that you put it [Time Stamp00:04:50] in your start up group, I had some issues with that. But let’s say I’ve got 20 Windows open on my laptop and now I need to reboot, you open up Groupbar, tell it that you want to take a date and time desktop snapshot, it goes through and captures where all your windows are, what URLs they are open to, what Excel spreadsheet may be open, whatever is open and it makes a snapshot of that, reboot, launch Groupbar again, go back and select the date and time stamp, it shows you a view, say restore, and here comes everyone of your windows back exactly like it was. Nice! That’s my Kool Tool for the week.
Who else? Somebody else have a cool tool?
Tony
This java is so frustrating. Jason for the first time ever, I agree with you – users should be administrators, like me right now. You are normally wrong on that, but this one day.
Ok, I don’t have any cool tools. Whatever you tell me about is my cool tool. You gave me one.
Jason
Anybody else?
William
This is William from Calvary Chapel Newport. I might have something along the lines of your Groupbar. Have any of you guys been using Opera [?] as a web browser, but is has that nice feature that when you shut down, in a crash situation, it actually restores to the exact state of all open tabs or windows that are running in it. I’ve seen a case where it will restore a session, after a crash, comes back on still logged into a secure session.
Jason
I’ve never taken the time to install Opera. What led you to play around with it?
William
Doing testing across different web standards. At first they were catching up with everybody else, but at the same time they made some deals where they have been able to pass by the other browsers, if you want something to physically work according to the standard as opposed to what somebody’s idea of the standard is, [Time Stamp00:09:08] Opera usually gets it right. They’ve consolidated the support across all the different platforms, Mac or Solaris or Lenox or even built in browsers in pocket PCs, it’s pretty consistent.
Jason
Cool. Are you using just the free version?
William
Now, if you want support, you pay for it.
Jason
I’ve decided, at least for me, the tabbed browsing, it just doesn’t work with the way my brain works. I like to be able to Alt tab around between all the windows I have open. I haven’t found a way to, let’s say that I’ve got five tabs open and I want to hop between a particular tab in my browser window and Outlook, I want to hop without using my mouse. I can’t figure out how to make it work. I also want to be able to look at the taskbar and see all the URLs I’m looking at.
William
I messed with IE6 and now IE7, but I think Control tab will get you between tabs when you are in one browser. Definitely with closing Windows, you get that warning about closing everything.
It has very nice thumbnails that are very descriptive. Some other associated things that might be customized. You can get it to report.
Jason
How does it handle Active X?
William
Pretty well with most things. There occasionally something that breaks but usually ok.
Jason
Cool. Chris said tabs are an acquired taste. I agree.
Other cool tools?
Dave
Dave Stone from Bethel Church. www.portalaps.com Aps that will run right off of USB drives or USB thumb drives. Everything from Firefox to Open Office to even Mac OS Classic 7. It is pretty slick. You can take it around and pop it into a PC you are working on and use diagnostic tools and such.
Jason
Cool. As long as the PCs don’t have the USB stuff locked down on them. In corporate world that [Time Stamp00:13:58] seems to be a big deal, but I’m not freaking out about it here.
Dave
Yeah, the 200 or 500 gig USB just plugs into your network on a fat table. You gotta love that for network security.
Jason
That’s one good thing about having the hosted church membership solution, unless people are doing excerpts out of it, the data is sitting off somewhere else and it is not likely to end up on a USB device.
What was the website again, www.portableaps.com
As you are giving out cool tools, if you could type in the URL into the window, that would help.
Jason Ferguson
Glad to be here. Does everybody know about E-sword? E-Sword is a free Bible ministry tool. You can download different add-ins, different concordances, different versions, all free. It’s an excellent tool. www.e-sword.net or maybe .org
I think at least offer that to your staff so if people call in, you can tell them about it.
Sp
Has anyone used a terminal server and tried putting that on a terminal server?
Jason F
Yeah.
Jason
We use a terminal but we haven’t tried playing around with aps on it. We tried Great Plains via terminal services and that did not work so well.
Sp
Does E-Sword have a way to do updates over the network? They have all these modules.
Jason F
I haven’t seen or heard any of that. It is a pain to do all those add-ons, but maybe somebody else has an answer to that.
Each one of them uses something like install shield to install the file. I bet all it does is copy the underlying data, maybe you can take a look and see what it is actually doing and maybe it is just a push or have a network share and have it install beyond the network share. That might do it.
Sp
The challenge there is that you can take notes in programs and it needs to associate each of those notes with each individual user.
Jason F
Good point.
Jason
Let’s switch into the helpdesk chat here. Tony are you live?
Tony
Somewhat. As much as a phone allows you to be.
Jason
Do you want to do some spam?
Tony
Sure, let’s see how much interest there is. I’m Tony Dye, IT Manager of Perimeter Church outside Atlanta Georgia just up the street from Jeffrey. www.tonydye.net It’s only awesome when I refer to something Jason says.
Jason
The [Time Stamp00:20:04] skateboard thing was cool.
Tony
I felt better that nobody else knew what that was too. Anyway, the whole spam thing. Let me give minor history, I started looking at spam about 5 or 6 years ago when we had a staff of about 50 and people said, “Hey, I’m getting this weird mail.” My best estimate is that we were dealing with about 30 messages a week back then, and we thought we had a terrible problem. I don’t know what the statistic is now. I think now about 85% of everything we get is spam. From what I understand that puts us way below the world standards. I think everybody else is 90-05%. Obviously it’s a real problem we are all dealing with. What I want to talk about is that there is a management aspect of it, there’s a technology aspect which is very important, but there’s another side of things. In my mind, there are 3 big parts here; first, helping our users not do “dumb” things that cause them to get spam. They probably don’t understand that and we do, teach them to understand. We as the IT people have to use technology to help out but there is that training too. Another aspect where I think the users can be our greatest asset and we sometimes miss it, and that’s having the users help us with the technology thing. Where we spent some time is saying that if a user does get a message that’s spam, we want to make it painless for them to report that so that they are done with it but it wasn’t ignored. What we’ve done, and it has worked well for us, way back in Exchange public folder called spam and another called not spam, so that if you get a message that says it might be spam and you know it is not, or you get one that doesn’t say it is spam and you know it is, put it in the appropriate folder. That was a good idea, except of them don’t understand Exchange public folders so it was too much [Time Stamp00:22:51] trouble. So in a moment of brilliance, we said why don’t we email enable those folders and now you can just forward your message to spam or not spam. So all of a sudden, all our users understood what to do. That has been huge for us because now we can go look and see what the issues are and where the spam technology is failing us. I think I have a statistic of what’s getting through, and I’m wondering if other people who are not doing this have any concept of what’s getting through and what’s not, and we at least have that information. I don’t count it anymore but it is there. I would highly advice, if you can do it, it’s so painless, give your users an easy way to say something happened that wasn’t right. Then you can deal with it.
On the technology side, we’ve been big fans of the Baracuda, but lately it hasn’t been doing a good job for us. What about you Jeffrey?
Jeffrey,
Yeah, lately some stuff some gotten through.
Tony
A few things that are easy to write rules about but I can’t guarantee it and it bothers me that they haven’t written the rule to take it to the next step. I understand that Postini never does anything wrong.
Jason
We are sold on Postini. Whew! Go Postini! Postini works so well for us that typically if somebody gets spam into their Inbox, they send me and email or help ticket saying they are suddenly getting spam in their Inbox, so we contact them. We explain what Postini does and that if they get a spam message, I’m supposed to forward it to spam@postini.com it goes into their global folder and they test it and measure it change filters and stuff.
Tony
Then if you haven’t already done an alias that makes it really easy for the users to send, that would be a good contact to put into your Exchange global address list so that can just send it to spam.
Sp
With the Baracuda, [Time Stamp00:26:23] have you tried those Exchange add-on tool bar?
Tony
Yes, then I removed it. The main reason is, all that does is classification, and if you are paying attention to spam lately, almost all of it has [?] poisoning in it such that the worst thing you can do is to let your users decide whether it is spam or not based on those tool bars. So we are in the midst of an experiment right now where we are not using basing [?] at all, we turned it off. We may turn it back on because it does a little bit of good. The spammers have decided to beat basing.
Sp
And more false positives too.
Tony
Correct. Without the basing, we are letting a little bit on stuff slip through that I think I could otherwise block, but with the basing on, I was getting many false positives. It was just getting too painful. So turning it off doesn’t eliminate the pain, it just moves where the pain is, and that’s where I’m having my frustrations right now.
Jason
How many hours per week do you spend on spam management?
Tony
This is so bad. 3 or 4 years ago when we were running off a spam assassin-based box, when we first put the box in, we went from spending hours a day to spending 5 minutes a day. I said this is a win. Two years ago spam assassin crept up to where I was spending an hour a day, we put the barracuda in and it dropped back down to 5 minutes a day. Well in the last six months, it has crept back up to an hour or two a day dealing with the crud. This is awful.
Jason
How much spam are people actually getting in to their boxes?
Tony
They are getting almost none, because we are intercepting it. The particular issue that is 90% of our effort is this image spam, and we are getting hundreds, maybe thousands of those a day, that the Barracuda from their natural stuff is not detecting. I have introduced a rule that catches 100% of them as quarantine, then we have to look at our quarantine. The problem is, the construct that I’m checking for can be used in legitimate mail. One out of a hundred could be good. But the only tool I’ve got to work with is that construct of having that inline source, which is easy to test for, just hard to recognize when it is being used for spam and when it is not. So that’s where Barracuda has an opportunity to fix something, and they haven’t’ yet. I’ve called them.
Jason
Interesting. We just don’t [Time Stamp00:30:29] monitor it, maybe we should. We’ve told all the users, if anybody gets more than 5 spam messages a day, let us know and we’ll see what we can do about it. There’s not much we can do about it other than, we’ve had a few instances where we’ve added people into Postini and forgot to set their filter to the most aggressive.
Sp
Is Postini a device or a service or what?
Jason
An outside hosted service, you go to your DNS records, point your MX records to Postini, then all your email gets washed through Postini, they check it for both spam and viruses, then they kick it to your email server. There is also a monitoring tool in there where if Postini can’t reach your exchange box, they will start spooling your email and start text messaging you and sending you messages that you’ve got a potential network problem.
Sp
That sounds like a good thing to put in front of the Barracuda.
Tony
They do a free 30-day and I’ve got the same thought.
Sp
I’m kinda doing that. Right now I have a spam assassin box of Lenox, and I have that in front and it catches a bunch. I can fine-tune the spam assassin myself. The challenge is that things change a lot quicker than I am able to keep up as Tony is trying to do.
So what we need is something that’s got the network of anti-spam that can couteract this stuff.
Jason
And that’s one of the cool things about Postini is that we are a small church, about 140 email boxes, I get to leverage the fact that Postini is processing some 9 billion messages a day, so the likelihood that spam gets to us before anybody else has seen it is unlikely.
We are paying, 2 year contract, somewhere in the $25 per year per user. It depends on how many boxes you’ve got, there are resellers, so if you’ve got 20 accounts, you can get it for less than direct. We go straight to Postini. I’m curios [Time Stamp00:34:02] to see what our pricing will look like this year now that there are other products like MX Logic that are doing the same thing.
Sp
Do they have a web interface or do you tell it your list of acceptable email addresses or how do they figure that out?
Jason
You control everything through a web interface, I can log in and add or delete users. It’s got a thing where as soon as email starts flowing out of your exchange box, it recognizes that fact and adds that user as acceptable, and it starts doing the filtering for them.
Sp
Does all email coming in and going out goes through there?
Jason
Not all of our outbound at this time. We haven’t’ seen a need to do that. They strongly recommend that you block on your firewall all traffic on Port 25 that is not from Postini. So that if somebody somehow figured out your IP address, they’re not bypassing and sending directly to your Exchange box.
Tony
That’s very reasonable.
Sp
Sounds like a good deal.
Sp
We just launched Postini here at Nashville Community Church a couple weeks ago, we were swamped with it, then we went a couple weeks without any major spam filter in place, our users were getting lots of lots of spam for a short amount of time. Then we went with Postini from Jason’s recommendation and we’ve been really pleased with it so far. We see a big difference obviously, seeing almost no spam. Simple to install. Great product.
Tony
One of the things about spam that I threaten to do, I haven’t done this yet, like Jason, I think when a user is getting 5 messages a day, that is huge and I never want them to have to deal with that. But we have occasionally that says spam has gone up, that means they got 2 this week, and I’ve always wanted to say, “If you think spam is bad, let me turn off filtering for you for just a few minutes and let me show you what we are doing for [Time Stamp00:37:17] you.” Sometimes they forget what we do for them.
Jason
Amen brother! The post I put on my blog that had our statistics from the last 45 days or whatever, that also got sent out to all our users and I added a few things in there like ‘just imagine if we did not have a spam filter what it would look like.’ But I’d be curious if I turned off Postini for a while, how good of a job would the Outlook 2003 junk mail filter in Exchange 2003, how good would it do?
Sp
A slightly different perspective on the in-house versus outsource spam solutions, I can tell you one thing that you are doing when you do it in-house, you are using up a lot of bandwidth accepting spam to get dumped and in a customer situation where we are paying for bandwidth coming in, it can be a significant cost.
Jason
Great point. The amount of traffic that you would get, Tony do you measure how much data?
Tony
I do not.
Sp
Thinking of that, I’ll set up a fencer on that port to see what we’re pulling through since everything comes straight to us. We don’t quite have the load Tony or Jason have but we have about 250 accounts, I think about 15,000 messages a day. It would be interesting to see how much they are taking up.
Tony
I expect it’s very noticeable but I also know that spam is typically a small message, even with high volume, it’s small. I haven’t worried about that but I would certainly love to get rid of it.
Sp
Unless they have pictures attached.
Tony
The other thing we’ve noticed, I wonder if this is typical, easily two-thirds of our spam probably more than that, comes to about a dozen users. If I could get rid of a dozen user accounts, our spam would drop in half.
Jason
We’ve got similar ones.
Tony
For the most part, we discover those are people who have been around a long time. There are 2 or 3 biases, being around a long time, being [Time Stamp00:40:26] a home AOL user when they come on staff, they are more likely to get spam. The third thing is anybody who is involved in our Global Outreach, our missions department. International mail seems to get picked up in a different way.
Sp
What you do is you have spamier users than others, so you take those in the high-spam risk category and stick them on the Postini group. So you don’t’ necessarily need to have an account for every user, just the difficult ones.
Tony
Very good point! Do 20 accounts instead of 200.
Sp
Yeah. I have a few spam kings here myself, and if there is a spam out there, they are getting five copies of it, ya know. Like 3 people, so I think that’s what I’m going to do.
Jason
For giggles, I just went and did a quick stat, in 45 days, we are not accepting over 2 gigs of spam data. 2 gigs of data not coming into the church because it is getting blocked by Postini.
Tony
That’s pretty significant.
Jason
Consider Exchange, the bigger it gets.
Tony
One thing that we have done that I think has been a good thing is we do NDRR spam. If somebody sends and it is spam, we NDRR it to make it look just as if the person doesn’t exist. So we don’t say what the NDRR was for, but we also have put an escape clause in that NDR message that said if you were trying to reach somebody on Perimeter staff and you really know you were doing the right thing and you are actually reading this NDR message, put this phrase in your message and send it back. Then we have written a white list rule that says anytime you see this phrase in a message, let it through. So we have created that escape clause and that has saved us a couple of times, because every once and a while somebody sends something that doesn’t get through but it’s not a bad message and we’ve now given them that way to punch [Time Stamp00:43:32] through. Worth doing, paid off. I’ll stop on spam.
Sp
I’ve got a curiosity question while we are still on spam, does the Postini allow you to query via Ldab, your Windows directory for email addresses or is it just when you set it up as your MX record, does it just accept all incoming email for gccwired.com or whatever?
Jason
David can probably answer that, he has set it up more recently than I, but if there is not a valid address, it will not come in because there is no user account with that address. Can you help with that David?
David
As far as what we did in the initial set up process, we took the manual approach, I don’t’ know who automated that system can get. We are on a bit of a smaller scale than probably most folks on this chat, we’re dealing with only 25-30, so it’s easier to manage. I don’t know how well the system can integrate with Exchange on a larger scale. We just set them up manually. I would assume someone at Postini could answer that easily.
Jason
I know there is an auto add feature in there. I’m looking for it. When we originally did ours, there was no such feature and we just did a batch process, as long as the email addresses are in Postini, mail will continue to get delivered and filtered. If it us not in there, it won’t. There is something now where if three messages are accepted through as non-spam to an account on your Exchange box, it gets added on. I think that is how that works. Chris says Katharion is about the fourth of cost for non-profits, and I’ve heard somebody else talk about this product, though I don’t’ know how to pronounce it. I’m curious about that.
Sp
If you are under 100 Postini is probably one of the lower cost ones, but if you are over 100 or more than one domain, spams stop here is probably a better rate for the [Time Stamp00:48:36] same type of service. Spam Stops Here.
Jason
Awesome. Cool stuff. Thanks Tony, good spam discussion. Spam is big in Hawaii. People love it there. Spam and Twinkies will be here when Jesus comes back. Where do we want to go next? Maybe Tony, do you have any updates on the IT Roundtable in April.
Tony
Yes, we are getting an incredible return on people that are saying they will there, most all 3 days, we have several vendors, some surprises, some church management vendors including 2 you’ve never heard of. One is the new product we are working towards, another one that is a super-secret product that I got to see a preview of the other day and all I can say is Wow! This is one you want to look at. If you have any interest in church management or in how software should be done, there is something to come see. We will have some dinners set up, Mark Stephenson of Web-Empowered Church is gonna come and do a talk for us, a couple of other surprise guests that I think will be enjoyable. Chris McGuffin came up with some great hotel rates right across the street, has blocked out some rooms. We are going to have some really good days. It’s getting exciting. Come early, stay late, plan not to sleep.
Jason
Are you going to cap registration?
Tony
Yes, we will cap but we will have a back-up. We will follow the model you had at Granger last year of roughly 20 people around the table, but we got a room that is going to work very well for us to let other people be in the room, in a gallery so to speak, you can listen, just not talk. We will let people tag team, so for instance Jason, you and Ed can both be there, but only one of you get to sit at the table. When you get tired of being there, you tag Ed and swap off. And that will work. So we are expecting roughly 40 people in [Time Stamp00:52:33] the room, that’s what we are shooting for. I’ve gotta go. Great stuff Jason.
Jason
Thanks Tony. Good stuff. For those of you not familiar with the church IT Roundtable, you can get it off of www.tonydye.net or my blog www.jpowell.blogs.com and there are links on both.
Great place to stop, we are out of time.
I wish the chat window was hyperlinked.
Jason F
We have been doing an IT Roundtable in the Dallas area for 4 years and I had the opportunity to meet Jason at his IT Roundtable. I wanted to mention the things that are valuable from these meetings, so we have a website called www.it-r.org and I want to offer that up for if any of you guys have any ideas or suggestions or ways we can interact, please contact me or talk to Jason, consider this a resource.
Jason
Jeffrey, do you want to talk briefly about the IT dicuss.org site and the email list real quick?
Jeffrey
I’m Jeffrey Thompson, Director of IT at First Baptist Church Atlanta. Basically, a long time ago, about 7 years ago, Tony said we need to start an IT group, so we started on here in Atlanta, we have monthly meetings and groups, then we created a mailing list and it kept growing and growing, now we have 107 on the list. I added a way to be able to search everything in an online forum where when you post to the mailing, it feeds it to this website that creates the message conversations all stored on the web, that way we are capturing that information. Then I manage it and I’ll move things around on the discussion board. I have a group called Toolbox. IT Discuss involves everything technical, telephones, voice, Mac, virtual, all that stuff. It works really well with the website and the email list, it goes out almost immediately. The search function is good. A great resource. If I’m thinking of doing [Time Stamp00:57:36] something, I go to it and post a question which immediately goes out to all the email list. Today, I didn’t even know about this meeting and I just posted a message and then Jason says we got something happening at 2:00. This is a great way to expand the group, we should be using technology to expand this group. What IT discuss provides is interactive, I prefer the web interface. Another thing it has in the RSS feed and that is a great way to keep up with stuff too. There is a free RSS reader, Feed Reader, I think I got that from you. It’s a free RSS reader, really great.
Jason
First I suggest people go grad the RSS feed and watch the threads, then if you are more inclined to be using the web, check it out. I’m more inclined to email, so do that. It’s a great place. I’d recommend it to everybody. Tony and I have kicked around the idea of a church IT email list, but let’s just leverage something that is already working. Jeffrey has this running, I’m driving people to that.
Good stuff, thanks Jeffrey.
We are at the one hour mark. We’ll save this other stuff for next time. WE will start back up again in January. January 5th for the next one. We’ll get some notes posted. I appreciate you guys. This is going to be great. We’ve got about 12 people with phone turned on, so Merry Christmas to all.
The lines will stay open, the chat window will stay open. I appreciate your dialogue today. Within about 10 minutes, you can download it directly from Talkshoe.com.
Thanks guys. Continue to leave comments. Thanks to David and Andrew for the notes.
Thanks to all who participated in last Friday's live Church IT TalkCast ... we had almost double the attendance from last time! If you missed it you can grab the audio here
We're also now listed on iTunes ... point your iTunes at http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=209275146
The "album art" I quickly threw together for the podcast is soo lame ... I'm starting a contest soon to have something worthy of displaying. 300x300 px for you eager beavers :-)
Here are some initial notes a few have sent in ... thanks guys. I'll update this post as I get more info. If you have anything to add/edit let me know.
We had 25 people in attendance (14 via phone/chat and 11 via chat only)
Thanks to Trace Pupke for this attendance list
Jason Powell - Granger Community Church - jpowell.blogs.com
Andrew Mitry from St. Mark Coptic Orthodox Church - Fairfax, VA - anchorite.org
B. Humphreys
brownales
caish5
Chris257 - Chris McGuffin - Sugar Creek Baptist Church
Dave Webber - 242 Community Church in Brighton, MI
digitalpastor - David Russell - National Community Church (Washington, DC) www.theaterchurch.com www.davidrussell.org
DTSTONE - Bethel Church (Richland, WA) www.bethel-church.org www.churchitadmin.com
JC Jennings Rock Spring Church, Charles Town, WV
Jeffrey Thompson - 1st Baptist? in Atlanta, GA
jkergosi - Jason Kergosin
Jsimons
mattwilson247 - Matt Wilson
nairdo - Nick Airdo from Central Christian Church of the East Valley (www.cccev.com) blog: http://codersforchrist.com/cs/blogs/nick
nancyjo - Nancy Smith, Blackhawk Church, Madison, WI
newsaddikt
ryancl - Ryan Clevenger North Point Community Church
ScottW
Stuart Cowen
Tony Dye - Perimeter Church
Trace Pupke (www.tracepupke.com/blog) @ Seacoast Church (www.seacoast.org)
Visor2040
wbcderek - Woodland Baptist Church, Bradenton, FL
William Phelps
Some initial notes courtesy of Andrew Mitry
Church IT Discussion - Talkshoe.com - 12-15-06
Need the lastest Java Client Release for Talkshoe
NorthPoint has cool AV mini server room setup
no one on Skype this week
blogs:
anchorite.org
churchitadmin.com
codersforchrist.com/cs/blogs/nick
tracepupke.com/blog
wbcderek - woodland baptist church, bradenton, FL
cool or new tools / discoveries:
Jason Powell - groupbar
William - Calvary Chapel - Newport News
Opera Browser - Restore Session with all tabs, no memory leaks like Firefox
doesn't work well with F1
nairdo - Wink is a good tool creakting screencasts/tutorials
dtstone - portableapps.com/apps
Side discussion on USB Drive use on site
jkergosi - esword e-sword.net
wbcderek - ebible.com, xpound.org
Spam - TonyDye - tonydye.net
tonydye - barracuda - hardware device
jason powell - postini.com - hosted service
ryancl - ciphertrust ironmail
alias vendor spam email in exchange to forward
jeffrey - spamassassin linux box
chris257 - katharion $.42 per box 1/4 cost of Postini for non-profits
jason mentions mxlogic
block traffic on port 25 - only postini
digitalpastor also on postini
ndr on spam
wphelps - spamstopshere
houston - roundtable
tonydye.net
Roundtable Notes
it-r.org
jeffrey - itdiscuss.org - rss feeds
next meeting - Jan 5th 2pm
after call - highlights from Northpoint
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