Church IT Podcast Discussions Episode 4, February 2, 2007
JASON
Where’s the trailer? I’m not going to do any post clean-up notes.
Hello everybody. Today is Friday, February 2, 2007, this is Episode 4. We are a bimonthly live interactive podcast with Church IT staff and volunteers, just to get together and discuss news, tips, tools, technology, best practices as they related to church organizations and what we can do to further God’s Kingdom. We meet live every first and third Friday of the month at 2:00 pm EST on www.talkshoe.com. Check out www.churchitpodcast.com We will be putting the pre and post show notes there. My name is Jason Powell, I’m the IT Director at Granger Community Church and I’ll be your host today. Let me hit the unmute button for everyone. Alright. We are live.
We’ve got 11 people on the phone live and a few joining the chat. I’m amazed at how many live listeners there are. I want to tell them, “C’mon! Join the discussion!”
Sorry about having to cancel the last one. I’m a proud papa of a new girl, first daughter. So far not a whole lot of difference, except diaper changing time. If I’m not focused today, it is because my sleep is not where it’s supposed to be.
Thanks everybody.
First off, if you’re in the chat window, stick your name, blog address, church name, position, so forth into the chat window. If you are just in the phone only, just shout out your name, church, and position please.
Some of the stuff we might want to discuss today, this is open-ended, our continuing thread on Kool Tools, anti-spam stuff, and how do you keep up to date with all the changes in the technology field, what blogs or websites or magazines or what? What do you think about the new release of Office 2007, any implementation plans on that? What are some free small open-source back-up solutions? I moonlight for a few small businesses, they never want to spend anything, I think that applies to churches as well, does anybody have free back-up solution? What were some big wins in 2006? What are your goals for 2007?
Let’s kick off with Kool Tools. I’ve got two, the first one is a kind of open source Photoshop type application called paint.net. It’s URL is www.getpaint.net and I stumbled across this 2 years ago, I love it, I’ve got it on all my machines. It’s not as powerful as photoshop, but how many people need all that? The interface is very friendly and easy to use, kinda based off what paint should be. Thumbs up for Paint.net. The other one, if you’ve had a hard drive crash, and people are crying for their data, the cheapest company I’ve found is called www.Gillware.com [Time Stamp00:08:03] for $350 you can ship your hard drive to them, they will stick it in their clean room, they will let you know if they can get your data or not. For the $350, they will return your basic document and pictures they can find or you can go up $700 or $750 and they will recover all the contents. That’s based on size. I had a volunteer had a hard drive dump on them and they had to have the stuff, some business critical information on there, and he gave it a huge thumbs up, he said the turn around was really fast, they were really friendly, they recovered all his data and sent it to him on CDs or DVDs and he was very happy. For $700, that’s about the least expensive I’ve ever seen for hard drive recovery.
When I was in the school system, a secretary did not back-up, her hard drive died, tears were involved, it was about $3500 to get her 12 gigs of data back. And that was 4 or 5 years ago.
Anybody else got any cool tools?
Sp
If it hasn’t been mentioned, I cannot live without VNC for everyday work. My name is Sean Ross from Calvary Church in St. Peters Missouri, Information Systems guy. I primarily use ultra VNC, I find that the abilities add DSM encryption if I need it and then also the speed is much better than a real VNC or a Win VNC. It also integrates very easily with the encryption plug-in to something like Tunnel Systems either VPN or SSH. I can get off-site out side of the firewall tunneling if I need to.
Jason
Excellent. Did you have a question about the Mac keyboard?
Sp
No, I was just mentioning that I am not familiar with the RDP client on Mac and I was wondering if it supports keyboard shortcuts. With VNC you can push over keyboard shortcuts.
Sp
To answer your question, if I use VNC in-house, everything is pushed via register keys by group policy. [Time Stamp00:11:31] So there is no way internally to get access to it unless you know the password and externally, never opened up.
Jason
I know a lot of people using VNC. I know of a bank in town using it. I’m not sure how I feel about that. They swear it is ultra-secure. I think somebody has discussed this before, but I’d rather mention it again, always good stuff.
Sp
We are using in-house for instant messenger service, from a company called Jive Software. www.jivesoftware.com We are using it open source instant messenger server {didn’t hear all he said, something about jabber and fttp protocal], they have a nice open source instant messenger communication server, and you can also get a spark client with that, which is their version for the desktop to interact with that server or you can use any other jabber-enabled client. Nice, full of features. If anyone is interested in that, we’ve got about 25 users and it is excellent. We are getting a non-profit discount, about $300 per year for licensing our users, it is really nice. The reason I’m going Enterprise is the really cool features, web click to chat with routing and cueing, you can skin out the clients, tons of reporting features, we love it.
Jason
Can you connect it so you have outside inside chat or do you just restrict it to internal only?
Sp
Right now the way I’m running our server is restricted to internal only. I have not pursued that feature because I don’t know that that feature is any different, but we might look into it at some point. In the next version they are getting into voice over IP , it’ll be click to chat as well, and we are even going to be able to tie that into our new phone system, it will integrate into that.
Sp
Are you using the voice over IP right now?
Sp
No we are not, I’m going [Time Stamp00:16:34] to, we’ve already decided that we like the feature set of the Enterprise and at the price level, we are certain it’s going to be excellent. I’m going to grab the evaluation version this week, then I will know more about what it can handle. I believe they told me it was already enabled.
Sp
You can come back in two weeks and tell us what you love about it.
Sp
Sure!
Jason
That brings up an instant messenging question, I’ve seen a few, some churches flat out do not allow any inside outside im or clients, some churches do. That is an interesting topic, why some go in one direction or another. For GCC, we have standardized on MSN Messenger, and I don’t know that I could live without it, especially from the helpdesk point of view. It facilitates a need. We do allow inside to outside because we’ve got a lot of volunteers, I probably chat with two volunteers every day or two, getting price quotes or specific questions or whatever. For us, the IM thing is two thumbs up for us.
Anybody else on Instant Messenger? Using anything else, or why or why not using IM?
No?
If people aren’t aware the Exchange 2007, you can buy a little integrated messenging gateway thing with it, and you can connect your exchange server to a lot of different PBX units or phone-based units and use it for everything. So your voice mail gets kicked through Exchange, ends up in your Outlook, all sorts of other cool things.
Somebody mention Trillion, I’ve got some volunteers on the Aol side. Trillion free version works very well. It does gmail, yahoo, msn, aol, and probably other ones.
Sp
You have to have the Pro to do gmail. For any jabber-enabled network, you have to buy Pro. It’s still an excellent application, I use [Time Stamp00:21:40] it too.
Jason
Gaim client. I think it is Lenox based. Great client for Mac and Windows.
We can cross into the anti-spam.
Sp
Katharion. I got into that based on a recommendation from this group about a month ago, it has worked out real well. I’ve switched multiple companies, I probably put 100 accounts on it. I had previously had Baracuda then I had my own spam assassin that I had configure and stuff was still getting through and the Katharion is getting 99.5% of it. A few get through but much better than we had before and false positives are not happening. Very positive. I looked at Postini, but I could do better, I became a retailer, so if anyone needs it. I worked with a guy named Tim, very good support.
Andrew
We’ve been using it, going great. Same story, no false positives.
Jason
Enough people are saying good things about it. We are going to look into it too. We’ve been long-time Postini users and lovers but I’m hearing like 50% of the cost for Katharion. Tony said they were trying to start it but I don’t see Tony here.
Anybody else?
Sp
We are on our third week of Katharion. It has been very impressive. We had users that used to get over 30 spam mails a day, which was pretty high. Now they might get one, they are impressed by that. It is doing a good job.
Sp
If it is a good product and at a good price, we are all winners.
Jason
What if we had an organization for church IT people and volunteers, think about what kind of interesting leverage we could apply on companies. Here’s a giant pool of churches that are looking for resources and sponsorship, I’m not sure how that would work but I think it would work.
Somebody mentioned the logo, which is down in the bottom corner, is from Sugar Creek who is hosting [Time Stamp00:27:58] the Church IT Roundtable in April. They made a logo for the Roundtable, so we’ve got an official looking logo.
Other anti-spam? Now I’m curious how many Baracuda users are not going to up their maintenance contracts?
Sp
I’m not! The Katharion is beating it hands down. And there is no hardware, you feed all your email to their servers and they feed it back to your email server. No hardware to install and maintain.
I had an interesting issue come up from switching over, I think it is because they have a network of email servers, so rather than just a single server, now I have ten, and my email server was a Lenox box and it was becoming overwhelmed with the amount of email, the reason is I’ve done a staged implementation with Katharion, you can say I only want 10 out of the 120 that I’m servicing, so all that other spam, which was not being filtered was just being passed along and the funnel for spam just overwhelmed me. So I had to pay attention to my configuration of the send mail to keep it from trying to do too much at one time. It was interesting, it was hitting maximums, I had to limit the number of processes.
Jason
Chris mentioned, when you do these hosting solutions for your email, you need to adjust your firewall too at some point so you are not getting any SMTP traffic coming through your firewall from non-Kathation-based server. The other nice thing is not only is it doing anti-spam, but these hosted solutions are doing anti-virus stuff as well, and some disaster recovery, where your email goes to them and if their servers can’t reach your internal email box they start spooling your mail for you and send you little alerts to let you know they can’t contact your Exchange box. I’m sold on the hosted email solution. And you bandwidth isn’t being chewed up.
With the Verizon FIOS stuff coming [Time Stamp00:32:45] out, is that like 10 or 30, crazy? Incredible. My question is, how do you utilize that?
From 5 meg up is plenty.
We got Comcast to give us a quote, it wasn’t bad per monthly, they were guaranteeing us a gig up and down, one gig, however, it was some crazy like $8,000 or $10,000 to run a trench from our building out to the tie-in. Not.
Sp
Our local cable provider told us the same thing. $5,000 and then we’ll give you cheap service.
Jason
We’ve got a 3 mig up and down dual T1 thing going on, it’s like $1,100 a month. We’re not nailing our 3mig very often, only like if we have a workshop.
Sp
We are going to be implementing a D-spam solution shortly. It’s www.dspam.nuclearelephant.com I posted it in the chat. I’ve used it for about two years on a personal server and I’ve been happy with it, outstanding success. The catch is server side component, so you need to be running your own mail server.
Jason
I just like the URL, nuclear elephant. How did you find that?
Sp
I don’t remember, we used it at a small company I worked for. It filters into a mailbox, you can drag into a folder, it’s got a web-based implementation as well, which we didn’t use, people were happier dragging messages around than having to log into a website.
Jason
Looks like in the chat there has been some questions about firewall, some people have mentioned what firewall they are using. I’ll put in for Sonic Wall, we’ve got Sonic Wall and an isa behind it, so for people out there, you got two firewalls.
Anybody else doing dual firewall?
Travis
Yes, we run two firewalls, on our outside front facing firewall, we run a Lenox solution called Smooth Wall and for our internal network, we use PS ? which is also open source Lenox based.
Jason
I’ve heard good [Time Stamp00:37:41] things about Smoothwall.
Travis
It is easy to configure, great community support, and a ton of add-on modules for content filtering, for multiple static IP addresses, all kinds of good stuff.
Sp
We recently switched from Smoothwall to PS, it’s much better running off a bsd and it also includes an internal firewall VPN solution for in point connections or individual users. That’s been nice for me to be able to get in externally without having to pay Microsoft licensing fees.
Jason
We’ve just not Lenox savvy enough.
Sp
All I had to do was pop a CD in and answer a few questions and it was done. It was really that easy. I’m not a Lenox admin.
Jason
Do you have to go in and open a config file if you want to open and close ports?
Sp
It’s all done via a web-based. Smoothwall is interesting because it can be administered remotely, where as PSSense is a little more locked down because it is built off of BFD. So everything is web-based, takes care of everything, it is easier to get around than our Sonic Wall was interface-wise.
Jeff Wilson (Oklahoma)
I was reading Tim Stephen’s blog the other day and it sounded like you guys got hacked? Did you?
Jason
I think he has wacky mouse syndrome. Where your mouse does wacky things, the mouse is moving around, so we went into panic mode, quarantined his box, so we are finding nothing and we’ve been talking to all sorts of people about it, the leading theory right now is that the mouse is wacky. This interesting too, I had never heard of this, in our research, we are talking to security professionals and they were saying that KZMs will occasionally re-do inputs, like it will log into a server by itself, like the input goes in and gets stuck and at some point in the future it will shove that information back out, physically log into a box, that would freak me out. At this point, we determined one way or the other, but the likelihood that it was actually a real hack is just so unlikely based on all the variables involved. That’s a tough one, when someone thinks they’ve been hacked, you feel bad as a network administrator because it is so difficult to explain to them all the steps that are involved to figure out if it was or why, it is exhausting and there are emotions involved, if it is a real hack, everybody wants to find them. So it’s ongoing, but wacky mouse syndrome is our leading thing on that.
You had also asked about ISA? It’s cake. Especially the newer version, we just went to the 2007 for its form-based authentication to Sharepoint for external users, very simple set-up, all wizard-based, [Time Stamp00:43:21] select what kind of set-up, what you want it to look like, single or dual firewall, standard ports, typically once it is up and running, it is one of those boxes you forget is around, it does its thing. Every 3 months, we go through and re-boot it to clear out the cache and whatnot.
Jeff
Do you have it running on its own box?
Jason
Yes, it is just running on a regular desktop PC, old GX 270, it cranks away. Not a resource hog.
Jeff
How much traffic coming through?
Jason
3meg up and down, 140 mailboxes and our church management system is Fellowship One, so that is all web-based, we hammer it pretty good.
Jeff
I think that is about the same size as us.
Jason
We are thinking about virtualizing ISA shortly, what are people using, as I change the subject again, how are people doing your sniffing? Are you slapping up ether real and doing mirrored and running it straight off your core switch, how are you handling all the other IDFs in your building? We don’t current sniff everything in the network, so with all this stuff happening, may be we need to be. How should we do that? How do you manage and capture all that data?
Sp
We recently had some network issues and I was going to try to get some sniffing going on and I was actually just gonna mirror a port on our core switch and use Solar Wind.
Sp
We use older 3-com switches but they come with this great utility, I think it is called 3-com Management Suite or something, and that gives all kinds of different information and link status and stuff like that. Works pretty well.
Jason
Does it allow you to be able to capture all the packet traffic though? That’s where we are headed. Maybe it is overkill, but from a security standpoint, I’d feel better if I knew that every single packet on the network was being captured and recorded somewhere somehow, so I could go back [Time Stamp00:47:32] in a short window of time and say between this port and this port, here is exactly what traffic was occurring and doing that across a whole bunch of switches, it is almost like you need a small sniffing server in each IDF connected to each of your switches and doing the port mirroring like you mentioned. Then it gets expensive.
Sp
I’ve done this, I’ve set up IDFs sensors in 32 locations and that still didn’t include all of our Enterprise switches, just basically some key places where you want it, where you are hitting the outside in case you get a virus, or coming back into your core hub. I don’t know of any free solutions other than ether real, but that was a multi-million dollar project. I don’t know of any free stuff that would do what you are talking about. You gotta take in the aspect that we work with all Cisco switches and my Cisco guy was complaining that this adds extra overhead to each one of my switches because I would take mirror one port and gotta spam all your switches coming to that one port, so it has to redirect all the traffic. Some places you can do with a hub, that’s not a big deal, except for the fact that you are downgrading your bandwidth. How many switches are you talking?
Jason
All in one building, I’d say we’re all Dell, 5324, probably got at least a dozen managed switches throughout the location. Obviously to some degree it is overkill to capture every single packet on your network between every switch but I’d be curious to figure out if there is an open source solution that will allow you to capture that information and retain it for a certain amount of time. I have been playing around with ether real, now Wired Shark.
Sp
It’s been a while since I’ve done the charity side of stuff. I’ve played around with it. Probably my lacking Lenox ability with Snort [Time Stamp00:52:00] and open source stuff, but there are a couple companies too that make nice front end packages that you might have to pay for. Here is the other thing, I put up all these sensors but it was a one-man show. You gotta keep in mind that you’ve got constant traffic coming in, there are updates to detect different things, you have to apply those, then you have to select which policy you want in place, do you want to see FTP traffic or not, on down the line, you’ve got to have somebody there to keep an eye on things. Depending on how many events you really want to see, your databases can fill up and you have to purge them out. It’s a serious undertaking. From what you want to do it for, just you and Ed, Ugh.
Jason
Thanks. We are trying to figure it out. Yes we are running wireless. So when this mouse things started, the likely hood that this came in from the outside, you’d have to be ubber hacker to hop through 2 firewalls and yada yada. Then we started thinking that somebody hopped on the internal wireless and got in so now what are they up against, domain crudentials and stuff, that’s when we started looking at the internal switch infrastructure and capturing the packets there. It’s not big deal to capture packets from outside to inside but once your inside, suppose somebody comes in or even just plugs a laptop into a port from somewhere in the building, etc and the two of us are too swamped and we don’t have those measures in place.
Sp
Here’s a suggestion. Since you’ve had this incident, maybe you should go back to Tim and ask for a vulnerability assessment. You contract somebody out, they may bring a team in, and for a week they will sit and try to get inside from the outside. They do that on the corporate side a lot and a lot of the bigger enterprises have their own teams that do it. But it might be a good idea, [Time Stamp00:55:30] probably cost a couple grand, but it would be a good idea with your scale. Sometimes it is a huge eye-opener.
Jason
Yes, I’ve made a phone call to a large firm asking what that would involve, how much it would cost. Scary.
Sp
Try to find some smaller shops. I worked for a smaller operation that was capable of doing that for smaller cost.
Jason
Cool, thanks! Shoot me an email if you have any suggestions. Trying to figure all this stuff out takes a lot of time and effort. We’ve been thinking about security, and I’ve been out for a week and a half, so I’m just getting back in, I feel bad for Ed. We’ve got a storage area network that we’ve had in place for half a year, it’s been awesome, no hiccups, but no kidding three drives died last week. We’ve had a tough time the last couple of weeks, I’m learning lots, but we’ve been looking at security and it is the pro and con thing. We know a lot about how we could make the network secure, tight, really clean, but the price is that it makes headaches for our users, tough for them to do what they need to do, so we have to balance between security and ya know, it’s tough. We’re exploring it. I’m sure I’ll blog on it, what our next steps will be, the pain. I know a lot of churches do not allow any personal equipment on the network, but we allow personal laptops, there aren’t a lot, but there may be some stuff we want to look at. We could clamp down and not allow that, but there has to be a balance. If somebody figures out the perfect solution, let me know and I’ll give you a hug, and maybe a kiss.
William
Quick question, were those drives that failed on the same array?
Jason
Thank goodness, no. The other thing that saved our bacon, the san is raid 50, obviously some redundancy built-in, plus we got to hot spares, plus an extra drive we had [Time Stamp00:59:50] on the shelf, so Ed noticed that two or three of our VM ware slices were starting to act goofy, really goofy, and we’ve had fantastic up time from our servers, so he started doing some investigations and did some pinpointing, got some ubber-geek volunteers involved, started looking at the sans, all these VM slices that were having the problems lived on the same hunk of san space. Called Equal Logic, they ran some diagnostics and sure enough that drive was bad, so Ed yanked it, put the spare in, it started rebuilding. Another drive failed, it started spewing out and kicked over to the hot spare and the hot spare started kicking out errors. So if one more drive had failed on that side of the array, that would not have been good. Bad situation, and the Equal Logic guys were shaking their heads at the probability of this happening is ridiculous. If you throw a drive once a year, ok, but 2 and then 3 within 3 days.
William
I’ve seen that but usually in the same array. If you have the rebuild set at its maximum rate, sometimes you kill the drive by trying to do the rebuild. You have to make sure you turn it down.
Jason
Interesting. We’ll investigate that.
William
The fact that they were separate makes it sound more like a controller problem. Are they electrically in the same section or isolated?
Jason
Ed would know those details. I’m not sure.
It’s been interesting. I feel bad because I’m not in the office. Craziness.
Sp
I wondered if I could interrupt to get everyone to do a name, rank, URL, etc on the chat if they would.
JC
I’ll do mine verbal
JC Jennings, Rock Spring Church, www.jcjennings.blogspot.com
I’ve got a cool tool to add, called Cross Loop, www.crossloop.com basically a remote control program for, basically I sit at home on my laptop and her computer at home, [Time Stamp01:05:22] she logs utility and I join the session and was able to remotely control her computer. It was really slick. Nice for those of us who do stuff on the side or if you want to help someone out from home.
Jason
Nice.
We had a decent turn-out today. We’re growing, expanding. So far the biggest was over 900 some people for the Leo LePort talkcast that he does. So imagine 900 people inside this chat thing! Leo and Amber McArthor.
We didn’t much on the list done, but that’s ok, we’re getting stuff done. Definitely check out Katharion stuff, I’m gonna use that against Postini. There is nothing wrong with trying to get the best deal for your church. Sure vendors have families to feed but I’m gonna use our resources to the best of my ability. Don’t be afraid to muscle and get the best deal. That should be a thread at some point, what vendors we use. I keep finding new stuff, like on the blog.
Alright, ladies and gentlemen, have we seen any females yet?
Any final things? The next one will be in two weeks, the 16th, at 2:00 EST. Spread the news about this thing, it will help us all. A lot of cool stuff happening in the chat window too. David Stone said something about Office 2007 topic for next week.
Sp
I’ll try to capture the chat stuff in the log.
A friend of mine, Dave Clark, has come in and we are launching a little venture called Binery Church. Basically we are going to gather technology from all walks of life within the church non-profit Christian organizations, to try to assemble as much knowledge as we can in one place through screen-castings, podcasts, articles, try to do some things to keep news at the forefront of what’s happening. If you might be interested, check us out, if you are looking to contribute [Time Stamp01:11:56] or be connected, the url is www.binarychurch.com you can sign up on our email list. Stop by.
Jason
That’s exciting. Any wiki engine?
Sp
What we are planning on doing is some shared user stuff, maybe giving rights to folks who want to contribute articles or screencasts. We can go over that in more detail. It will be like wiki but not wide open to the public, we may venture into that at some point, but there is a lot that goes along with opening something up like that. We are not limiting people who want to contribute. Just like this thing you guys do, I love it, I learn so much, and that’s the same idea with binary church, no matter what your level or whatever, it’s a place for anyone.
Jason
Awesome. I think many of us are wondering how we can harness everything all together. Tony and I have kicked around a Church IT Best Practices conglomeration, so this may be an entry point to that. Good stuff.
Time to kill the podcast, the phone lines and chat window will stay open. Join us next time. Thanks!
Big thanks to David Russell for resending me the post show notes from episode 4 (Feb 2nd) as I did not get them posted prior ... doh!
Head over to http://feeds.feedburner.com/church-IT-podcast to listen/download the mp3 or get it in your iTunes.
We had 18 folks on the conference call and 27 live audio listeners :-)
Enjoy the notes ...
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Church IT Discussions Episode 4 2/2/2006
Congratulations to Jason on the birth of his daughter!
Cool Tools
Jason:
Open Source Photoshop Application - Paint.net (getpaint.net)
Not as powerful as Photoshop
User-friendly
Gillware.com for hard drive data recovery ($350+ depending on service)
David:
Jive Software, Wildfire Server and Spark Clients
VNC for Remote Desktop
Chat Clients:
Trillian
Gaim
AdiumX for Mac
Usability App for Win:
Launchy (launchy.net)
Cross Loop (crossloop.com)
Remote desktop app
Antispam
Katharion
Jeffrey Thompson - excellent feedback, supporting 100 accounts
Andrew Mitry - same results, excellent, supporting 60 accounts
Dave Mast - impressed with Katharion as well, handling image spam
D-Spam (d-spam.nuclearelephant.com)
Matt Kerner -
Logo
dstone says "Nice logo!"
Jason says the guys from Sugar Creek adapted it from the Church IT Roundtable logo
Thanks Sugar Creek!
FIOS Chat
Jason - approached by Comcast for a 1GB/1GB service, but hampered by the need for a trench
Firewall
Sonicwall
Jason - GCC loves it
Travis Kensil - dual-wielding Sm00thwall and PFsense
Calvary_Shawn - switched from Sm00thwall to PFsense due to throughput on BSD, likes its web-based admin
Hacked?
Jeff Wilson asked Jason if GCC was hacked
Jason seems to think not. They are taking precautions, but they've talked to many security experts and are thinking it was a strange hardware issue with wireless mouse, KVM.
ISA
Jeff Wilson wondered about the ease of administration.
Jason thinks it's simple. They are running ISA on an old desktop and haven't experienced any issues with it. Looking to virtualize it soon.
Port Sniffing
Jason - Ethereal on mirrored ports?
Jeff Wilson - Had an issue and just going to use Solar Wind
Travis Kensil - 3COM Management Switch
Jason - What about capturing packet traffic?
JC Jennings - Had similar issues trying to figure out some way to do that. What about Snort?
Travis Kensil - WinPcap might work
Calvary_Shawn - Prelude is another option, it can pull data from Snort
JC Jennings - Vulnerability assessment might be ideal
Calvary_Shawn - There are some free VA tools out there
Bamed - Metasploit is an easy-to-use tool for a self pen test - there is also a LiveCD, Backtrack
Personal Gear on the Network?
Most say a resounding "No"
A couple of people allow it with certain restrictions, e.g. placing the personal units on a wireless LAN
Drive Failures
Jason - Had three drives fail in one week after years of good service - got service on the issue from EqualLogic
Chris257 - Cooling issue with the SAN?
JC Jennings - Controller problem?
Participants
Jason Powell - Granger Community Church - Granger, IN - gccwired.com, jpowell.blogs.com
JC Jennings - Rock Spring Church - rockspring.net, jcjennings.blogspot.com
Dave Mast - NewPointe Community Church - Dover, OH - newpointe.org, davemast.wordpress.com
Matt Kerner - Schweitzer UMC - Springfield, MO - kerner.net
Dave Webber - 242 Community Church - Brighton, MI - 242community.com
Travis Kensil - New Community Church - kensil.net
Derek Berg - Woodland, the Community Church - mymindyourmonitor.blogspot.com
Bryson Medlock - College Heights Christian Church - geeks-4-jesus.org/bamed
Trace Pupke - Seacoast Church - Mount Pleasant, SC - tracepupke.com
David Russell - National Community Church - Washington, DC - davidrussell.org, theaterchurch.com
Shawn Ross - Calvary Church - calvarymidrivers.org
Dave Stone - Bethel Church - bethel-church.org
David R H - Columbus, OH
Mike Berger
NewsAddikt - Calvary Assembly of God
Justin Jennings - Henderson Hills Baptist Church
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